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Poster: Robman Date: Jun 11, 2005 1:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun

I'm trying to upgrade my copy of the Dead's 2/14/68 show. Several reviewers noted that the cut in the "Mountain Jam" segment of "Alligator" could be filled using a splice from "Anthem of the Sun." I can hear that the two versions are the same, but after much fooling about I was still unable to locate the exact segment on "Anthem." Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm tired of trying to reinvent the wheel. Thanks!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 11, 2005 1:44pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun

I can never get tired of listening to that performance..
And the two are not entirely the same. there is a good portion of the jam cut from the album. The album version of Alligator runs a good few minutes shorter.

The missing segment can be found on the Anthem album from about 8:24-9:36. At 9:40-ish is where they cut from 2/14 into them yelling "Alligator!" from the studio portion.

To match them up, go to 11:33 of the 2/14 version.
That should do you right.

By the way, the Anthem album seems faster than the source I have of 2/14, when it cuts back from the album to the circulating tape, it sounds slower.

This post was modified by Jim F on 2005-06-11 20:44:23

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Poster: Robman Date: Jun 12, 2005 12:52pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun

Hey Jim,

Many thanks for the help! You were spot on, to the second. I cut the volume of the AOTS splice by 3.3 dB and shifted the pitch of the post-cut SBD tracks by +75 cents--to these old ears, it sounds pretty darned good! (I found the speed of the AOTS splice and the pre-cut SBD to be close enough for government purposes--when I tried to shift the pitch of the AOTS splice, it sounded worse.) Thanks again! I probably would have thrown in the towel without your help.

By the way, if you haven't heard the "new" version on the Archive, check out the encore: not only does it have the end of "Midnight Hour," but also an announcement from the stage about the next day's concert at San Quentin, and it ends with a most appropriate sigh of contentment from the radio announcer after he informs the FM audience that the show is over!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 12, 2005 4:09pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun

Glad I could help! I've lovingly spent time doing various edits to that show, to get it just exactly perfect. I might even remaster my source again to get the pitch right...

I once found an MP3 source (in 2000) from that show that sounded terrible, but had the COMPLETE Alligator, and the post show banter. I don't know where it came from, but EVERY other source I've seen has the cut. I first used it to cover the cut, but the Anthem album sounds so much better.

Listen to it again folks! Primal Dead!!!

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Poster: mickey622 Date: Jun 21, 2005 6:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun

Great. Now you got me all primed up to put Anthem on my mp3 player. Weird, cause in the last day or so I've been wondering why I haven't done it sooner and then saw this post.
Thanks for the nudge. It's still one of my favorite Dead Albums (yes, Album... I still have mine, though of course I replaced it with the CD).
I advise everybody to listen to as much '68 Dead as they can.
Psychedelic Stuff to be sure.

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